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		<title>Comment on Happy Birthday Robert Frank by Cordley Coit</title>
		<link>http://dektol.wordpress.com/2012/11/11/happy-birthday-robert-frank/#comment-905</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cordley Coit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Apr 2013 17:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robert Frank&#039;s Americans broke me free of a stuffy design  oriented style. He showed drama is art. He pushed me to the street.He also inspired a few years of film making  before the lid was sealed on photography. Frank&#039;s influence is to America  as Goddard s is to France .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Frank&#8217;s Americans broke me free of a stuffy design  oriented style. He showed drama is art. He pushed me to the street.He also inspired a few years of film making  before the lid was sealed on photography. Frank&#8217;s influence is to America  as Goddard s is to France .</p>
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		<title>Comment on The End of the Age of Photography  &#8211; The Conclusion by Mike</title>
		<link>http://dektol.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/the-end-of-the-age-of-photography-part-five/#comment-896</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Mar 2013 10:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just wonder if you would be interested in pealing the onion of your disenchantment?

Yes, a rough age of empire. It has been a rough age of empire for three, maybe four hundred years, just not all ours. And may it continue, because we do not want the alternative. For Christ&#039;s sake they managed to loose the recipe for a near portland cement in the fall of Rome. Never mind blacktop. Guess when we picked it back up? About the time of the first photographs. Forget worrying about the nature and availability of photographic materials. Little row&#039;s of one&#039;s and zero&#039;s are not bad things. It is just a different way of saying the same thing.

It would not have mattered if paper prints and negatives or DVD&#039;s and USB sticks had been in the library at Alexandria. For the last 2000 years all we have known is they were destroyed in a fire and lost to history in large measure.  A regrettable accident of history.

Having a complete education in classical and jazz music from thousands of hours in the dark room I wonder today, after a 20 year layoff, at having my darkroom in my camera or at a screen these days. Detailed knowledge of chemistry, and paper making necessary to independently pursue print and film techniques were no more in my possession in 1970 than are the electrical engineering or programming details in the possession of digital photographers of today. Neither can put themselves on the desert island..I just fail to see any special distinction between the two situations. Photography depends on  on industrial process. Nothing has not changed. Like peas in a pod.

Frankly the technical basis is just not there for such ardent cynicism. This is a disappointment. Shake yourself out of it. I would be glad to go toe to toe on this point, even willing to lose. But, I would not offer friends any side bets. 

As to the authenticity of experience, I have my grandfather&#039;s 6x7 negatives from the 1910-1928 period. We printed a few of them once. I went out with the same camera and photographed the farms, my grandfather&#039;s hand built forge and different people wearing the same Stetson hats and put them up with prints from the negatives of that earlier era. No one was the wiser and it was great fun. It is as if fiction and non-fiction were used to tell a period of history. Of either modality in literature we do not complain, yet photography is somehow real? Symbols are symbols and so are transported more than the spoken word.

It is unfortunate that the sweat, the dedication and the passion necessary to be a photographer has NOT changed. Now we may begin to include videographer as well, but we can no more be a W. Eugene Smith or Stieglitz or Weston today than in the 1970&#039;s and 1980&#039;s, but we have venue&#039;s for our work unlike any before. That we have more stress and more injustice and more righteous indignation to display, as image makers we should complain?

Photography is not dead anymore than music died because of the electric guitar or the saxophone. That my grandparents could not comprehend it is a separate issue.

With sincere regard,
==m==]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wonder if you would be interested in pealing the onion of your disenchantment?</p>
<p>Yes, a rough age of empire. It has been a rough age of empire for three, maybe four hundred years, just not all ours. And may it continue, because we do not want the alternative. For Christ&#8217;s sake they managed to loose the recipe for a near portland cement in the fall of Rome. Never mind blacktop. Guess when we picked it back up? About the time of the first photographs. Forget worrying about the nature and availability of photographic materials. Little row&#8217;s of one&#8217;s and zero&#8217;s are not bad things. It is just a different way of saying the same thing.</p>
<p>It would not have mattered if paper prints and negatives or DVD&#8217;s and USB sticks had been in the library at Alexandria. For the last 2000 years all we have known is they were destroyed in a fire and lost to history in large measure.  A regrettable accident of history.</p>
<p>Having a complete education in classical and jazz music from thousands of hours in the dark room I wonder today, after a 20 year layoff, at having my darkroom in my camera or at a screen these days. Detailed knowledge of chemistry, and paper making necessary to independently pursue print and film techniques were no more in my possession in 1970 than are the electrical engineering or programming details in the possession of digital photographers of today. Neither can put themselves on the desert island..I just fail to see any special distinction between the two situations. Photography depends on  on industrial process. Nothing has not changed. Like peas in a pod.</p>
<p>Frankly the technical basis is just not there for such ardent cynicism. This is a disappointment. Shake yourself out of it. I would be glad to go toe to toe on this point, even willing to lose. But, I would not offer friends any side bets. </p>
<p>As to the authenticity of experience, I have my grandfather&#8217;s 6&#215;7 negatives from the 1910-1928 period. We printed a few of them once. I went out with the same camera and photographed the farms, my grandfather&#8217;s hand built forge and different people wearing the same Stetson hats and put them up with prints from the negatives of that earlier era. No one was the wiser and it was great fun. It is as if fiction and non-fiction were used to tell a period of history. Of either modality in literature we do not complain, yet photography is somehow real? Symbols are symbols and so are transported more than the spoken word.</p>
<p>It is unfortunate that the sweat, the dedication and the passion necessary to be a photographer has NOT changed. Now we may begin to include videographer as well, but we can no more be a W. Eugene Smith or Stieglitz or Weston today than in the 1970&#8242;s and 1980&#8242;s, but we have venue&#8217;s for our work unlike any before. That we have more stress and more injustice and more righteous indignation to display, as image makers we should complain?</p>
<p>Photography is not dead anymore than music died because of the electric guitar or the saxophone. That my grandparents could not comprehend it is a separate issue.</p>
<p>With sincere regard,<br />
==m==</p>
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		<title>Comment on Occupy LA, Ola! by http://yahoo.com</title>
		<link>http://dektol.wordpress.com/2011/12/06/occupy-la-ola/#comment-894</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2013 06:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally blog also and I am publishing something alike to this excellent blog<br />
post, â€śOccupy LA, Ola! « Bleak Beauty Blogâ€ť.<br />
Do you mind in the event I reallyemploy a lot of of your concepts?<br />
I appreciate it -Isobel</p>
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		<title>Comment on Happy Birthday Robert Frank by Flaneur</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Flaneur]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2012 19:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is nice to hear from someone who has done great work and is still doing so, on the influence of Robert Frank. It is easy to see this influence in the work of so many people, as he has liberated us to be something else as photographers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is nice to hear from someone who has done great work and is still doing so, on the influence of Robert Frank. It is easy to see this influence in the work of so many people, as he has liberated us to be something else as photographers.</p>
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		<title>Comment on President Obama &#8212; SNCC&#8217;s Victory by Jordan Shorr</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jordan Shorr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2012 13:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amazing is right. The confluence of subjects here make me feel like a &quot;zelig&quot;.  For I worked with Forman&#039;s CORE both in Brooklyn N Y and Oakland (alameda county) California.   And was with Sam (sort of) in Suwanee, Georgia, where he was licking his wounds before going to New York. And in 2008, celebrating our victory at the Atlanta Hyatt with my coworkers from the Georgia Democratic Party, Reverend Joseph E. 
Llowery, and t.housands of folk]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing is right. The confluence of subjects here make me feel like a &#8220;zelig&#8221;.  For I worked with Forman&#8217;s CORE both in Brooklyn N Y and Oakland (alameda county) California.   And was with Sam (sort of) in Suwanee, Georgia, where he was licking his wounds before going to New York. And in 2008, celebrating our victory at the Atlanta Hyatt with my coworkers from the Georgia Democratic Party, Reverend Joseph E.<br />
Llowery, and t.housands of folk</p>
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		<title>Comment on Juan Stays Home by dektol</title>
		<link>http://dektol.wordpress.com/2012/06/07/juan-stays-home/#comment-770</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dektol]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 21:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a big country with all kinds of people in it. That is why it is so rich and interesting.
Some of these people are racists. What
matters is that they are kept out of office
and from positions of power. Its safer to have
them out in the open than hiding under the rocks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a big country with all kinds of people in it. That is why it is so rich and interesting.<br />
Some of these people are racists. What<br />
matters is that they are kept out of office<br />
and from positions of power. Its safer to have<br />
them out in the open than hiding under the rocks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Juan Stays Home by agplatt</title>
		<link>http://dektol.wordpress.com/2012/06/07/juan-stays-home/#comment-769</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[agplatt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 21:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It makes me feel sad to read a comment like the one your received. Shocked and sad.  I thought the world had moved beyond feelings like that. I especially hoped that the US had. And here you are in an election year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes me feel sad to read a comment like the one your received. Shocked and sad.  I thought the world had moved beyond feelings like that. I especially hoped that the US had. And here you are in an election year.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Juan Stays Home by David Ball</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Ball]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yop. I&#039;m scared. I have not forgotten that Hitler &quot;was elected in a democracy.&quot; (Not quite accurate, but close enough.) The point is: what can we do?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yop. I&#8217;m scared. I have not forgotten that Hitler &#8220;was elected in a democracy.&#8221; (Not quite accurate, but close enough.) The point is: what can we do?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Albuquerque is burningâ€¦.Again by Alfonso Cevola (@italianwineguy)</title>
		<link>http://dektol.wordpress.com/2012/05/27/albuquerque-is-burning-again/#comment-673</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alfonso Cevola (@italianwineguy)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 19:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reminds me of something Wynn Bullock once told me very late at night &quot;People want to see what they want to see, but behind the veil of their preconceptions lies the real image.&quot; Many folks have a hard time adjusting to what is staring them in the face. Keep shooting, keep seeing. Nice post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of something Wynn Bullock once told me very late at night &#8220;People want to see what they want to see, but behind the veil of their preconceptions lies the real image.&#8221; Many folks have a hard time adjusting to what is staring them in the face. Keep shooting, keep seeing. Nice post.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Juan Goes Home by saurava mazumdar</title>
		<link>http://dektol.wordpress.com/2012/04/21/juan-goes-home/#comment-648</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[saurava mazumdar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2012 02:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amazing insight]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing insight</p>
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